Teaching Sells, worth the money?

One thing I do every morning is visiting some colleagues in the blogosphere, amongst them Lis from Passive Income. Reading her latest, rather passionate, post, about Teaching Sells I thought instead writing my own review, it would be far more effective to link to her article and to recommend it to my own readers.
But first I quickly checked out the Teaching Sells sales pitch web site and found this sentence

“You’ll also see why being an “expert” at the training you sell is completely optional.”

That was enough for me to know that these guys sell you the secret to make money by selling others the secret to make money, if you get me. But enough bubbling from me, Lis did a far better job in doing a thorough and honest review about teaching sells does it work? Go over and read for yourselves 😉

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28 comments to Teaching Sells, worth the money?

  • Thanks SY – are you a teacher by any chance – I’m not but I know plenty of them I must try that line on my Irish sister-in-law who is a teacher with an MA LOL
    .-= lissie@passive income´s last blog ..Teaching Sells: Does it Work? =-.

  • hospitalera

    No, not in the classical sense, but I did a lot of teaching students whilst working as a nurse, gave first aid courses, gave private language lessons etc. The sentence of “not having to be an expert to be a teacher” makes me shiver because of my medical background. Imagine I would have taught nursing students, whilst there were working with me, something that was not correct, it could have put lives in danger! Some with first aid courses. I believe that teaching is a task that is loaded with an awful lot of responsibility, and rightly so. SY

  • Both of your blogs are ranking for “teaching sells scam”.

    Liz’s post made me realize there is no way to get an honest review of these kinds of products. People promoting them don’t care too much because they get their affiliate commissions and anyone who spends quite a bit of money on the product they don’t want to feel “duped” by saying “I spent all of this money and I didn’t make a dime”.
    .-= Mike´s last blog ..My favorite Joomla resources =-.

  • adrian@oak flooring

    Yeah – I was really surprised by the “You’ll also see why being an “expert” at the training you sell is completely optional.” line.

    I’d read through the whole of the copyblogger blog and found most of the copy writing tutorials were really good, but this seemingly immoral behaviour has lost any trust or authority I felt in the site

  • Not only are they preying on people’s dreams, but they purposely neglect to be clear that they are charging monthly for the course? I’m shocked that they didn’t turn the whole operation into a multi-level marketing scheme. This guy is no different than Bernie Madoff in my eyes.
    .-= Blane´s last blog ..Cheap At Home Pen Teeth Whitening System That Really Works Offers Free Trial =-.

  • hospitalera

    @Mike
    Lol, that was really not my intention, I just wanted to give Lis a helping hand! And yes, it is very difficult to get reviews about affiliate products that are not influenced by the money a potential affiliate may earn. What many people don’t realize is that promoting the wrong products too often can kill easily your own site or blog. SY

    @drian
    Until now I found copyblogger a good read, but like you, it has now lost a lot of trust / reputation for me. SY

  • Ugh, that was a horrible quote because you should at least try to be an expert in what you are promoting. That doesn’t mean that you need to have amazing training or experience, but you do need to put forth the effort to know what you are talking about. I do appreciate you linking to Lis’ review though!

  • @Hospitalera – LOL it appears Google likes your blog! You are started to be seen by the big G as a trusted site – and you are sitting at #4 this morning for “teaching sells is it worth it”. One of the reasons I wrote the post was a SE0 – experiment – I’ll write an update in a few days.

  • hospitalera

    @Chuggin
    I agree, I can’t take people seriously that promote what they barly understand. And thanks, Lis did a great job with her review, that it would have been a crime not linking to it. Let’s hope we stopped a few newbies wasting their money! SY

    @Lissie
    Yes, I know, I don’t know why, but Google seems to love me, last niche site indexed in less than 8 hours, already climbing the Serp, haven’t been with a site in the sandbox for ages and now this, seems I do something right 😉 And I really only wanted to help you ranking for it and help to warn the newbies who fall for this! SY

  • I love the way there’s a new “tier” of mmo people who have taken what Griz, Vic and Court have been saying for years and run it with.
    SY, Lissie, Allyn, Ben – I salute you all for showing us that the simple method of niche domain,niche content, anchored backlinks pays and for outing the snake oil salesmen for what they really are – charlatans.
    .-= Ed@Exhibition Trailers´s last blog ..Exhibition Trailers – All You Need to Know =-.

  • hospitalera

    @Ed
    I am not really sure if I would like to be counted in with some of the people you mentioned (Except Lissie, we are online friends since years ;-)) I noticed that MMO / Internet marketing tends to corrupt people, affiliate earnings are too tempting for some ;-( But you are right, finding a niche, writing excellent content and building links back to it, is the way to make money online. There are no quick rich schemes, apart for the people that sell them. SY

  • Why do people associate online businesses as being any quicker to become profitable than a brick-and-mortar one. Granted, the expenses are a lot less hefty, but the time involvement is not and may be more intense. So, karma will take care of these ruthless leechers who exploit people’s dreams.

  • hospitalera

    @at home whitening
    Very true, everybody that tells that you can make money online fast and without effort is a liar, SY

  • I have been digging around the SERPs gauging public sentiment on different current launches.

    I am not an affiliate of Brian’s, I am not a member of his coaching, but I have been reading his blog for a long time.

    There is a good chance that what he is referring to when saying
    ““You’ll also see why being an “expert” at the training you sell is completely optional.””

    … is the following

    Say you have researched the niche… “Goldfish training – teaching your Goldfish to swim through hoops”

    I picked a niche that probably doesn’t exist but in theory it could.

    Now you are not an expert on Goldfish training, but you are an expert marketer, and know how to research a market, gather feedback from people interested in the niche and what questions are “hot topics” that need to be answered.

    You also know how to find experts on goldfish training, and find one or a number of people who really are experts.

    You can license some content from them, pay them a retainer, or work out some kind of joint venture. You might not even have to run the site itself after launch, but you still rake in money having set everything up.

    Whilst some might disagree, it might be a lot more honest creating a membership site that provides expert information immediately to those that want to buy it than promoting Acai flogs with forced continuity, but to each their own.

    This isn’t a testimonial in any way for Brian’s product, but is a vote for the value of information products for those that want the information, and all information products almost without exception come with good guarantees, even in the IM niche.
    .-= Andy Beard´s last blog ..Namecheap Affiliate Program Clarification =-.

  • hospitalera

    @Andy Beard
    Might be a valid explanation but why do you put as a counter example “promoting Acai flogs with forced continuity” there are more possibilities to make money online around 😉 And I am surely not against running a membership site, but I really wonder about the fact that they promote this program / product to newbies at the steep price of $1600. I think charging so much is the real scandal, especially as it gets promoted to people that have little or even no experience in making money online. SY

  • The Acai flogs was just an example of what some people encourage others to promote, as a counterpoint to what I feel is a legitimate business, selling training products.

    $1600 might be a little steep for many though there is a payments option (very clear on the sales page BTW – not as suggested above in the comments somehow hidden)

    Price is a really subjective thing – I can remember when this course was first launched, it was a much lower “investment” (the diplomatic term on sales pages), but then the training was probably less extensive, and there was an “end date” rather than ongoing support.
    Plus Brian has a lot more proof to justify the price point, and a significantly wider audience.

    Will he fill his quota of 500 seat – you bet

    Hopefully the people who buy his course take action on what they learn

    If you compared Teaching Sells to Membership Mastermind + Blog Mastermind, the jump in price isn’t that significant, if you factor in that Brian has testimonials from people such as Aaron Wall who is pulling in something around $100,000/month from his membership site. (he limited it at 1000 people and most are probably paying $97/month)

    I don’t know how many staff Brain has working for him, plus affiliate compensation to pay, but whilst the numbers always seem huge, these are real businesses that have families to support.

    If people can’t afford a particular product, they should buy something else, or save their money.

    p.s. It is really hard to target marketing to one specific audience – it is certainly hard for me to target content, as I am sure I have some newbies among the marketing geeks, gurus, VCs, tech bloggers and everything in between.
    The only time you really know if something hit the mark is when they buy something, and then not all the data is available.
    .-= Andy Beard´s last blog ..Namecheap Affiliate Program Clarification =-.

  • @ home whitening
    Well, I think you guys have become a little too narrow with your perception, of course most of the guys telling you to make quick n easy money are usually scammers….but that doe not mean there realy isnt fast money with a little bit of effort !

  • hospitalera

    @Andy Beard
    Teaching Sells has closed the doors, so I can’t quote from the web site anymore ;-( Regarding Aaron Wall, he is a pro and an accomplished expert in his field, plus he has already an audience to sell his membership site to. I was arguing that it is unethical to market such an expensive to complete newbies and I don’t remember reading anything on the sales page that states that people need to have / should have already experience / being an expert / having an audience to take advantage of the Teaching Sells program, quite the opposite. Like I said, Aaron Wall is hardly a good example as he is already, nearly?, there. But for somebody just learning the ropes in internet marketing it is surely not the program to start with. SY

  • hospitalera

    @Resume Services
    I agree with “home whitening” (Gosh, did you guys actually read the blurb about keywordluv below the comment field ;-)?) Paying $1600 for a course to learn to set up, and promote!, a membership site is hardly “fast money with a little bit of effort” SY

  • mary

    The sentence of not having to be an expert to be a teacher makes me shiver because of my medical background.

  • hospitalera

    @Mary
    Any particular reason why you just repeat my own words without adding anything to the discussion? In case it was for the backlink, please take a moment to read this post: http://hospitalera.com/how-i-handle-comments-and-spammers/ Thanks, SY

  • hospitalera

    update:
    Deep Aurora is writing at the moment a series of guest posts over at http://www.johnchow.com/how-to-start-a-money-making-membership-site-part-4/ It is free and really good stuff to read if you are interested in a teaching sells alternative 😉 Just use your common sense and you might get some valuable info for free! SY

  • Ricardo Jackson

    Nice link – way to get out of using naughty words in your own post! Unfortunately, a lot of these reviews don’t seem to make sense to the people that are looking to make a quick buck off the internet – they know it’s possible in real life, and the scams are just so prevalent that they can’t believe EVERYBODY is lying. Teaching-wise, though – make sure you choose an online education provider with accreditations that you can actually check on, and a physical address and phone number that you can call or visit, and speak to a real person. These are the hallmarks of the non-scamsters!

  • hospitalera

    @Ricardo Jackson
    I am not really sure if you actually have fully read my short and Lis’ extensive blog post. As I mentioned above, I didn’t write an own review, because she already had done it, so why re-invent the wheel? FYI “Teaching Sells” has all the “accreditations that you can actually check on, and a physical address and phone number that you can call or visit, and speak to a real person.” you mention as necessary, our main point against it is that it was marketed to the wrong people! It was really a product that was best for people that had already an internet reputation, following etc, not for unknown newbies that just start out. SY

  • >> “You’ll also see why being an “expert” at the training you sell is completely optional.”

    Unfortunately, this sort of thing is also too common in the brick and mortar world. I used to be in IT (mainly outsourcing). My employers (I have worked for several different big vendors) sold our services to their clients for a high price, but many of the programmers were fresh out of school/university. Even those of us with experience (like myself) were too often used outside our field(s) of expertise. It’s pretty much the same kind of situation, with unscrupulous businessmen/management selling low quality services to uncritical customers.

    IMO, the $1600 people pay for Teaching Sells is not for the training, but for someone to blame when things don’t work out. Just the same as my ex-employers’ customers.

    >> “accreditations that you can actually check on, and a physical address and phone number that you can call or visit, and speak to a real person.”

    So did Bernie Madoff’s investment (read Ponzi scheme) company.

    Many people think that you can’t make money online fast. That’s not quite true. If you work insanely hard like Ben (he made 100 websites in 1 month), you can make money fast. Unfortunately, most people (including me) can’t work at that pace.

    Brian Clark taught copywriting well. I learned to write good articles (for blogging and article marketing) from his website. Unfortunately, for the past year (maybe longer), most of the posts are from guest writers and nowadays he rarely produces the old long informative essays that actually teach something.

  • hospitalera

    @C. Loh
    “IMO, the $1600 people pay for Teaching Sells is not for the training, but for someone to blame when things don’t work out.” So very true, and often it is their own fault when things don’t work out. I agree with what you say, and I must repeat, I am not believing that Teaching Sells is a bad program per se, but it was bad to market it to newbies and noobs that have no following. If somebody has already a following, on or off line, and is a recognized expert in his / her field, it might be a good program to take things further. For example if you have already written a book, sold a few thousand and now want to take your message to the internet, great. But if you are just starting out, have no content written, no expertise at all, then promising you the “blue from the sky” like we say in German is unethical in my eyes. But I would be happy to see here some comments from people that actually has success with the Teaching Sells program and make now the money back they paid in the first place, SY

  • Yes, teaching sells, but whether it is worth the money is the $64 question.

    PS:
    Who made up the phrase “This is the $64 question”?
    .-= HP@Online Reputation Management´s last blog ..Reputation Management – Fix Your Online Reputation and Remove Negative Results =-.

  • hospitalera

    @HP
    Only $64 question? Teaching Sells was around $1600! And, btw, I know the expression as “million dollar question”, never heard about a $64 question, SY